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| Intense episode. I really liked it but one thing disappointed me, Hakaze didn't say to Aika that she's in love with Yoshino, I wanted to see her reaction. 5/5 |
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| Awesome. 5/5 |
ainky said: You kind of did with how aika reacted to yoshino cryingI wanted to see her reaction. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I love this episode. ;n; 5/5 |
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| Most awesome episode of the entire series, and that, is saying something!!! It's official... Aika is by far my favorite character of the series. Not because it is revealed she is the mage of Exodus, but because of her strong character and willingness to sacrifice for those she loves. The highlight for me was... that explosive a straight jab to Hakaze's face. For future reference, I don't think you want to make Yoshino cry. That is one possessive chick. If Aika had lived everyone, including Mahiro & Yoshino would have died; the mage realized this and her selfless act allowed them to survive. I can only wonder what happens now. |
| Aika is one strong girl for the sake of logic.. |
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| Lol Aika killing herself was obvious from a mile away xD. I wonder what that letter says though for Yoshino and Mahiro. |
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CDenver said: The show would lose so many quality points if they brought back aika.Part of me is hoping Aika somehow reappears and makes it to present time with everyone. But the other part of me knows how unlikely that is. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I love when an episode is so great that I have nothing to say about it. It speaks for itself. |
| Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you. As long as you remember her, you are not alone. |
| Aika is so strong, and that why I love her this episode deeply moved me |
| Aika reads too much; a tragedy is a tragedy. |
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: Exactly. It's just too bad that she died, even though it was necessary.CDenver said: The show would lose so many quality points if they brought back aika.Part of me is hoping Aika somehow reappears and makes it to present time with everyone. But the other part of me knows how unlikely that is. |
| this entire time while watching this series and realized how hard it was to trace Aikas killer i was like, "she probably committed suicide" but i was like nah that would be dumb. AND THEN 4 WEEKS LATER she commits suicide....( =3=) great episode, shocked to see Hakaze get her ass handled to her since she had such a OP reputation and what not. |
| Wow! i pretty much nailed the whole paradox stuff about Aika learning the future from Hakaze and killing herself when Hakaze went back because Aika killed herself in my previous episode post. Monad said: Misail said: So, if Aika is the mage of Exodus it means there is a possibility that she killed herself (don’t tell me if its right or wrong I don’t want spoilers) Well as it is now it seems we have two most possible scenarios. Ether she fought with Hakaze and got killed by her or she killed herself so she can manipulate the events following her death. The second scenario would need of course her having some sort of clairvoyance knowing what events her death will cause but maybe she doesn't need it now with Hakaze arriving from the future. Maybe she will fool Hakaze in telling her the future and knowing all this events she may decide that it fits her agenda(whatever that may be) and decides to kill herself so she can make those events come to reality. So ironically if the last scenario comes true, Hakaze will still be partly responsible for her death because the knowledge that made Aika kill herself was given by her. Btw i liked how they made the fighting seem like Aika was dancing. Even after the revelations and her death Aika managed to keep her mysterious nature. Still confused about one thing. Why does Aika believe that everyone will die if she doesn't kill herself. Beacuse only Hakaze can defeat the tree of Genesis? She can't? But she said that maybe she isn't suppose to be able do. So she doesn't know for certain. So why take such extreme measure for a doubtful future. Maybe she they could very well have defeated the tree without her needing to kill herself. In a way she seemed too willing to kill herself. Another thing i dodn't get is what happens with the tree of Exodus. If the tree of Genesis resets shit and doesn't let humanity keep going then what about the tree of Exodus? Didn't that tree wanted to destroy everything in the past? Shouldn't they destroy that too. Also i don't know if it was the translation wrong but Aika said that gets direct power by the tree of Genesis? The tree of Genesis? Wait isn't she the magician of Exodus? Why get power from the tree of Genesis? Are the two trees actually connected and in a way one and the same? |
MonadMar 9, 2013 2:44 AM
| After the episode i kind of only have 1 question : Mahiro's revenge got cancelled ? |
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| This episode got me pretty emotional, although not even to the point of watery eyes. Aika is pretty badass, her way of thinking is fascinating, it's really sad that she wasn't able to spend more time with Yoshino. Hakaze hasn't been that likable for me. CDenver said: Part of me is hoping Aika somehow reappears and makes it to present time with everyone. But the other part of me knows how unlikely that is. Absolutely, this was way too sad! |
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Tyrel said: The key is how it is executed. Besides it is not as if they made it so unavoidable that what it was revealed it turned into an anticlimax. Even if we could tell Aika would kill herself, I doubt how many people would have predicted Aika said what she said (including cool thing like that cake in the fridge). Lol Aika killing herself was obvious from a mile away xD. I wonder what that letter says though for Yoshino and Mahiro. Great sakuga/animation. Great music. Great interaction between Hakaze and Aika. Great dialogues. Great emotion or feeling expression (Hakaze's crying before soon-to-be Aika's grave, Aika hitting Hakaze because she knew Yoshino would cry only if he was pressed into a corner and it was Hakaze who did it). Everything that went before in the series seem to be just preparation for the fateful encounter of these two most unforgettable female characters. Aika is way so cool -- and what is a better scenario to produce a murder mystery where the victim, the perpetrator and the detective are all the same person !! |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Monad said: I don't think she said everyone will die if she doesn't kill herself. She said everyone will die if she lives (which is a bit different). Anyway, her point is that everyone will die if the status quo is maintained - no one does anything significant enough to stop the Tree of Genesis. She said she would go to warn (and push) the Kusaribe clan if she were to live but since she was destined to die she had to get someone to do so, which seems to be Hakaze now. Obviously she knew she was not able to defeat the Tree of Genesis by herself. Still confused about one thing. Why does Aika believe that everyone will die if she doesn't kill herself. Beacuse only Hakaze can defeat the tree of Genesis? She can't? But she said that maybe she isn't suppose to be able do. So she doesn't know for certain. Monad said: I do not see any concrete proof saying that the Tree of Exodus wanted to destroy everything the past. Hakaze said something like that before but we all know now that, just like her thought that Tree of Genesis gives peace and protection to humanity, is not really true. According to the latest revelation, the Tree of Exodus is a tool that needs to be used to destroy the Tree of Genesis, to prevent it from becoming the Civilization Buster and resetting human civilization. Other than that it does not seem to have other purpose, at least not from what has been revealed so far.Another thing i dodn't get is what happens with the tree of Exodus. If the tree of Genesis resets shit and doesn't let humanity keep going then what about the tree of Exodus? Didn't that tree wanted to destroy everything in the past? Shouldn't they destroy that too. Monad said: Not sure about the English sub, but in the Japanese dialogue Aika said that her power would increase in proportion to power drawn from Tree of Genesis by the other side. So when Hakaze used even more powerful magic, Aika's power also got more powerful, which is one big reason why Aika ssaid Hakaze could not defeat her. Also i don't know if it was the translation wrong but Aika said that gets direct power by the tree of Genesis? The tree of Genesis? Wait isn't she the magician of Exodus? Why get power from the tree of Genesis? Are the two trees actually connected and in a way one and the same? Everything I say here I got from only the anime, so if it differs from the manga, pardon me. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Monad said: Still confused about one thing. Why does Aika believe that everyone will die if she doesn't kill herself. Beacuse only Hakaze can defeat the tree of Genesis? She can't? But she said that maybe she isn't suppose to be able do. So she doesn't know for certain. So why take such extreme measure for a doubtful future. Maybe she they could very well have defeated the tree without her needing to kill herself. In a way she seemed too willing to kill herself. Another thing i didn't get is what happens with the tree of Exodus. If the tree of Genesis resets shit and doesn't let humanity keep going then what about the tree of Exodus? Didn't that tree wanted to destroy everything in the past? Shouldn't they destroy that too. Also i don't know if it was the translation wrong but Aika said that gets direct power by the tree of Genesis? The tree of Genesis? Wait isn't she the magician of Exodus? Why get power from the tree of Genesis? Are the two trees actually connected and in a way one and the same? Funny that I have precisely the same doubts. Im not sure if Ive been understanding this well so if someone can clear up things Ill be very grateful. Yoshino and Mahiro led Aika to wish a "happy end", and that would mean saving the world/civilization. The Exodus tree is the one that can destroy the Genesis tree, so that would be Aika´s job, but then, since both Aika and Hakaze are "slaves" from the trees, perhaps it would make more sense if it was Hakaze herself defeating the tree of Genesis, breaking the "slave" bond. For that to happen, she had to be strongly committed to that purpose and that could only happen if she met Mahiro and Yoshino and to meet them (common people) only would be possible if they were driven by Aika´s death, otherwise it would be Aika who would go meet Hakaze, but Hakaze would never believe the mage of exodus. About why the tree needs offerings, Aika said: "To ensure that will not have social negative effects, to ensure they dont try to become a governmental authority(...)". What I understood: To not make "evil"/non-logic surpass "good"/logic; So the representatives of the tree do not become the authority, because that must belong to the tree; ). Also Evangeline said something about "the purpose of the genesis tree is to face defeat" and that is a test to humanity. Following the biblical tree of life that would be a test to lead to "one's spiritual life for the betterment of our character, "healing" our selfish tendencies." |
OrulyonMar 9, 2013 10:18 AM
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
Morridine said: I couldnt agree more :DYou gotta love Aika for this episode. Cant figure why people complain about it being predictable. This story was not probably intended to be an awesome mistery, but deliver epic characters. As predictable as it was, Aika killed herself without the least trace of doubt, while ALL fucking similar scenes are usually covered in drama in order to seem believable, this one was just mindblowingly straight to the point yet credible and touching. I will probably never be able to praise this show enough, simply because of its weirdness, to some extent. |
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| Hakaze seeing Yoshino running toward the Fuwa mansion was a tear jerker |
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| Aika was just so wonderful in this episode and I absolutely loved the scene where she was fighting Hakaze. She was just so elegant and beautiful in that fight beatdown and it was really nice to see her final thoughts about Yoshino and Mahiro. That finishing move she had looked awesome as well with those blazing red eyes. Watching Hakaze's last attempt in saving Aika and crying like that at the end was just so sad ;_;. She had me tearing up there. What a great episode. |
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| This stuff's very well written! It's so confusing with the whole time-travel aspect, so I didn't see the fact that Aika killed herself coming. The whole thing with the Tree of Genesis is just like the Reapers! The tree will reset everything to prevent the humans from becoming to strong and civilization has gone through this cycle many times in the past. |
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| Boy this episode wasn't predictable for me I really thought someone killed her not - Taking her own life? The fight was awesome how Aika just punched Hakaze( me going woah girls) Glad they faught and not girly slapped or kicked. I felt sad at the end. Hope the boys undertsand her reason why she did what she did. |
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| Oh aika's popularity sky-rocketed in this episode:) |
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| i didn't think i would like aika this much |
interpets said: i didn't think i would like aika this much same nice ep 5/5 |
| Is it just me being pissed on Yoshino or everybody else feels the same? I mean, Yoshino already has Aika as her girlfriend then Hakaze falls for him. I feel sorry for Mahiro. :( That aside, this weeks episode was really astounding when Aika shows off the prowess of being a mage of Exodus. |
ahmed_great2005 said: Yeah, back in the 'beginning' quite a few people had some very harsh words to say about her.Oh aika's popularity sky-rocketed in this episode:) From the beginning I thought she was intriguing, but she is not the kind of person I'd want to spend any time around. |
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| This show is pretty impressive, but it still don't catch me ._. 3 episodes left. 8/10 |
| This was a great episode! Probably one of the best in the series so far. I do find myself liking Aika more after this episode, but she still pales in comparison to the awesomeness of Hakaze. If I had to rate this show right now, it'd still be a 10/10, I just hope the last 3 episodes help cement that score! The ending scene of Yoshino running past Hakaze was particularly feel inducing...I hope they can have their Tempest ending! |
Kazuhara said: Is it just me being pissed on Yoshino or everybody else feels the same? I mean, Yoshino already has Aika as her girlfriend then Hakaze falls for him. I feel sorry for Mahiro. :( That aside, this weeks episode was really astounding when Aika shows off the prowess of being a mage of Exodus. Right! I feel bad for Mahiro too but he doesn't seem too interested in anyone but Aika. Plus he is pissed all the time. Yoshino on the other hand has that unavailable, broken personality girls want to heal. Loving either of them would be a set up for failure since their hearts are with Aika. I know everyone loves Aika but I am still rooting for Hakaze. |
| "What color do you want to be?" -Shiina Mashiro |
| They portrayed Aika and Hakaze very well in this episode to the point of perfectness. Aika's acting and Hakaze's responding were just what I would expected. This show is perfect at making one thing into two ways of possibility. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
Auranpond said: The interesting question would be, then, knowing that her death was predetermined, whether Aika killed herself out of free will as a means of self-determination and fulfilling the logical outcome or if she merely accepted her death as fate and as the logical course of action. Though, I suppose it's a moot point by now; truly a tragic heroine.Orulyon said: Regarding the yin/yang relationship of the Tree of Genesis and Exodus, those are fair assessments that accurately portray their interrelationship. Too add, I'd say that both trees at some level do not exist to necessarily help or harm humanity. Exodus can "destroy" the world, but Genesis can destroy humanity as a means of counterbalancing Exodus; in other words neither represent "good" or "bad" per se, merely opposite forces. In the current case, the original perceived "evil" side is acting as the force countering the "good" side, which through its intentions frames it as an evil. As a side note, you cited quotes from the Bible I presume? Mind citing which scriptures and lines? Merely professional curiosity. I have always wondered who would represent Caliban in this series. Interesting that it was Aika and Hakaze themselves who were Caliban and dancing to the tune of Prospero all along. Through the prism of being the 'tragic' characters who were given a magic power and slaves to a master, they fit the role of Caliban, which is fine at the surface level but gets problematic if you try to make a deeper connection. Hakaze and Aika aren't barbaric, revenge-seeking monsters or hardly making parodies of themselves, as Aika's outcome was merely constructed to fit a tragic end representative of Ophelia; it's a stretch to equate Aika's death being a logical necessity to Prospero manipulating the oblivious Caliban to take the island and have Caliban's "magic" (alcohol) provided to him. On a different note, I suppose that Caliban's lines in Act III, Scene ii can be stretched to link Aika and her tragic end in relation to her love of Yoshino for those who want to (quoted below). On a final note, by this turn of events, it means that the trees represent Prospero. If this really does end as the Tempest did, it would mean that as a precondition, the tree of Genesis/Exodus (individually or perhaps the relationship of the two as representing Prospero) will facilitate the happy ending. But seeing as this is a mixing of both Hamlet and the Tempest, they have some license to alter it as they like it. Because I hardly see the respective trees being the ones that take a bow to the audience; I see that more as Yoshino's role to ask us to "release me from my bands/with the help of your good hands," but I'm certainly open to any surprises (Evangeline would a funny choice). |
Kjeldoran109Mar 11, 2013 12:40 AM
Kjeldoran said: True, although from the point of view of the Trees (Prospero), the civilization level of Aika and Hakaze may still just look barbaric. So on this aspect I think it also kind of fits in the setting in Tempest.Through the prism of being the 'tragic' characters who were given a magic power and slaves to a master, they fit the role of Caliban, which is fine at the surface level but gets problematic if you try to make a deeper connection. Hakaze and Aika aren't barbaric, revenge-bend monsters or hardly making parodies of themselves |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: True, although from the point of view of the Trees (Prospero), the civilization level of Aika and Hakaze may still just look barbaric. So on this aspect I think it also kind of fits in the setting in Tempest. A valid point; for the respective trees, the struggles of Aika and Hakaze, and to an extent humanity and the perpetuation of conflict, may be the same to them as Caliban attempting to rape Miranda, and trying to defeat the trees could be equated to Caliban repeatedly plotting against Prospero. Of course, the trees don't seem intent on facilitating a "happy ending," at least at this point. |
Dusk252 said: Just had to laugh when as late as the previous episode claimed that he KNEW Aika was clearly an evil bitch all along. Facepalm moment indeed !! ahmed_great2005 said: Haha, I've been keeping away from these forums due to all the Aika hate, but I knew it'd be somewhat safe after this episode. Aika is awesome and now most people seem to agree.Oh aika's popularity sky-rocketed in this episode:) The fact is I think this anime has managed to portray Aika in a very sympathetic light and it was clear at least from the midpoint of the series when she made it clear how much she loves Yoshino but also cares about Mashiro. |
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imie-chan said: Not unrealistic. Historically even the fate of empires have on occasion rested upon the relationship between key men and women and the lengths they would go for each other.a girl that two boys fell for and now the whole future of the world depends on those two (quite hormonal boys). |
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| Aika was so powerful! it's sad that she really needed to die, but as it was shown, it was all to humans sake after all, now Hakaze will destroy. Good thing she gave her a letter to give to the boys, it will help them move on. |
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Kjeldoran said: As a side note, you cited quotes from the Bible I presume? Mind citing which scriptures and lines? Merely professional curiosity. Kjeldoran said: Aika's outcome was merely constructed to fit a tragic end representative of Ophelia; Funny that I always thought that Aika was Sycorax. I mean, she has much more of Sycorax circumstances (dead mighty powerful character that controls the "bad" magic but Prospero ends up being similar to her, so none is really "evil" or "good" just like the trees), but then she commits suicide like Ophelia. Anyway she is fucking awesome;D |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
| ^ Also don't forget that the name of "Tree of Genesis" or "Tree of Exodus" is just found in English translation. In Japanese the names of the trees Hajimari no Ki and Zetsuen no Ki do not convey much Christian connotation. |
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| This is about the only damn interesting episode so far in the series, and probably will be the best of it. |
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Ryekeel said: Imagine the hardship you brought yourself through all these weeks to bear the boredom... I guess I should congratulate you for your hardiness?This is about the only damn interesting episode so far in the series, |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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